theres a company in western canada hpa performance i think they have a 4 wheel drive vr4 powered beetle with around 450 hp and 0-60 times in the low to mid 3's with 1/4s in the 12's fact is ricers can be fast hell a yugo can be fast,,, my only beef with vw's is for the most part they're heavy as hell but nice cars as a daily driver they do have alot of potential for pretty low dollar..

and uglyshtick didn't mercedes use a rotory at one point in the cosmo(?) or sometihng i think

In reply to:

---

And I'm not ignorant to the fact that the Jetta CAN be a fast car man....Hell, if I spend 10thousand bux on my truck, it'd be fast too.

---

In reply to:

---

Simple fact of the matter is, you can't get a small ass 4 banger to go as fast as a v8.

---

In reply to:

---

But I have YET to see an owner of a Vetta pull up to a Camaro or Mustang, or ANY car with a V8, and not try to race

---

In reply to:

---

It's a joke cause kids buy the car with the smallest engine they can find and stick a catback exhaust and cold air intake on it, slap on a body kit, neon, and stickers, and then try to race 'mary's and 'stangs like they the shit now.

---

In reply to:

---

If ya slap on a catback exhaust and a performance rpm intake manifold on a 350 that's in a camaro, you'd get a HELL of a lot more power than you would in that lil jetta.

---

In reply to:

---

Oh, and I seem to remember everyone on this board sayin that the new beetles are slowass pieces of shit...Well, the engine you are defending is the same damn one that's in the new beetles.

---

actually, i never said the bug was slow before. i was defending that too. i had on hang pretty good with me. of course the interior was gutted and he had other mods but it was quick.

oh, and it was a turbo bug with some middle aged guy driving it so im guessing he had the money to actually make it go.

Yeah, the new turbo bugs can scoot pretty good. They're a little heavier than the 1.8T Golfs, but they also have a sweet six speed.

-Ben

aour family has got a jetta, and my dad (who is a nutter) says it can quite easily get to 125 without too much pushing. its quite a goog little car, id say it goes quickly, rather than fast

What model is it?

-Ben

DAmn, this is a lot to reply to:
First off...

In reply to:

---

I'm talking about the 1.8T dip shit, not the naturally asperated chick mobiles.

---

In reply to:

---

t already makes 40 more HP and 37 more lbs. of torque than your truck, yes, you should be scared

---

In reply to:

---

There's a replacement for displacement and it has garret stamped on the side

---

In reply to:

---

Oh, well if you haven't seen one race a camaro or mustang then it must be true

---

In reply to:

---

Oh I see, because one group of the consumer market decides to spend money on their cars a cartain way means that all other simular cars have the same mods

---

In reply to:

---

You'll get a lot more HP then you think from a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine compared to a naturally asperated one.

---

I was reffering to the 1.8T, not the NA model which utalizes an engine different from what we have been discussing.

I find it hard to believe that you have taken a 1.8T, which makes a substantial amount more HP and Torque, in a vehicle that weighs more. Maybe you're thinking about a different model, or the other guy couldn't drive.

And the issue here isn't wether you can go faster with a V8 in the long run, becasue obviously you can, i've never disputed that. The issue is you automatically assumed the 1.8T was slow due to it's size, and didn't have potential for modification.

Once again you're basing your assumption that since the majority of the consumer market does one thing, or from your personal experiances, that all owners of that particular style of vehicle must follow the same path. Well i'm here to break it to you, there is quite a large amount of enthusiasts who care about the performance of their vehicles and take smart steps to enhance them. And not leaving there first mods to bodikits, spoilers, and *ehem* clear tailights.

And yes, with a few simple upgrades you can easily spank a stock camaro or mustang, and in allot of cases, stock sport compacts are faster than camaros or mustangs stock, depending on the year.

-Ben

stock mustangs and camaros are getting into the low 14's now right stryker? so with work to a vw it can't hit 13s huh?

"There's a replacement for displacement and it has garret stamped on the side"
Dont forget, there is no substitute for cubic inches, unless it is a VW bug (air cooled)

I've been lookn' at, gulp, SRT-4's, nice package.

Yeah, SRT-4 is pretty sweet, 14.2 1/4 mile, 5.6 0-60 and Mopar factory warrantied performance packages to 300 HP... and the fact that it has no mufflers. Gotta love dodge's "screw you all we're making a fast car for cheap" approach

-Ben

I'm wicked excited about that car. i've been talking it up ever since i heard about it last year. I have a feeling that that thing will be a tuners dream. I'm seriously condisering getting one when the come out. Dodge is finally making a smart move in preformance. Maybe they're back on track (Bringing back the hemi, making sweet assed trucks, making a new fast and cheap car). yay.

i just watched a program on the new lancer evo. sweet car!!! 270hp water injected turbo 4 cyl. its got a huge front mount intercooler. its awd with Huge breaks and good suspension. I want one bad.

I said that that engine is slow. And yeah, it is! I DIDN'T say that you couldn't mod it and make it fast. I know you can. Most people don't. Ok...
About the whole Garret = replacement for displacement. That's not entirely correct. You stick a turbo on a 1.8 and sure...you could go fast. But then, if you were racing, say, a 350, you stick the Garret on it too, and you'll go fastER. See...No matter how you try and talk your way around it...With the EXACT SAME mods, a V8 will go faster than a 4 banger. I'm not sayin that you can't get a 4 to go fast....I said that 8's will go FASTER. I thought I cleared that up with you in our IM.